#476 – The Mail-Right Podcast Show:We Discuss The LionDesk CRM & Lone Wolf Technologies

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In this video, we delve into the powerful features of LionDesk CRM and Lone Wolf Technologies, two leading platforms designed to streamline your real estate business. We explore their unique functionalities, integration capabilities, and user experiences to help you determine which solution best meets your needs. Whether you’re a seasoned professional or just starting, this discussion will equip you with valuable insights.

Dotloop

https://www.dotloop.com/

Prices starting at $31 per agent per month

Broker Mint

https://brokermint.com/

Prices on Request

Skyslope

https://skyslope.com/

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Brokerkit

https://getbrokerkit.com/home/

Prices: Starter $99 | Performance $399 | Enterprises $999 per month

#1 – Introduction

#2 – Who Are Lone Wolf Technologies?

#3 – The Main Alternatives For 2025
Wise Agent

https://wiseagent.com/

Prices: $49 Monthly or $449

kvCORE (re branded as BoldTrail)

Follow Up Boss

https://www.followupboss.com/

Prices Grow $69 | Pro $499 | Platform $1,000 per month

Top Producer

https://www.topproducer.com/

Prices Pro $179 | Pro + Leads $479 | Pro + Farming $599 per month

Real Geeks

https://www.realgeeks.com/

Prices Establish $299 | Grow $599 | Expand $999 | Conquer $1,599 per month

Mail-Right

https://www.mail-right.com/plans/

Prices Agent $49 | Team $245 | Team Plus $490

#4 – Final Thoughts

Episode Full Show Notes

[00:00:22.720] – Robert Newman

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We are so excited to bring you episode number 474. Now, today, we should have a little image of John and I with swords in our hands and pictures of the Swords Cross, because we are absolutely taking on some subjects that we both have a lot of comparing and contrasting opinions on. We’ve gone different ways. Today’s subject sounds innocuous. We’re going to discuss the fact that the planned, or rather, the unplanned obsolescence of the Lion Desk CRM, including mothballing and complete shutdown, has just been announced by Lone Wolf Technology. This company acquired them a couple of years ago. This is one of my hot buttons in real estate tech. It always has been. It is egregious. Why is it such a hot button? John was asking me this question before I took an industry where it’s difficult for agents to find the time, energy, and discipline to understand and learn tech in the first place. Then you add the fact that these tech companies are creating technology, selling it to someone else who then mothballs it.

[00:01:52.320] – Robert Newman

It’s happened with Postlets. It’s happened with more companies than I can count, which makes the problem with agents even more In other words, why should I learn another tool? It’s just going to sell itself and be gone because it happens. John was giving me his side of this story, but I’m telling him, the second you get successful, you sell yourself. Bold leads, it took less than three years. Gone. It happened so much. It’s not even worth discussing. Like real estate webmasters, if the guy just weren’t such a control freak, he would have sold out on Dragon’s Den years ago for $75 million. So, John, we’re going to talk about why you chose this subject today. So why don’t we discuss why you look at this and say, We should do a podcast on it.

[00:02:47.590] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, I’m one of the competitors to Linedesk. I’ve chosen to reposition, and I made this decision over eight months ago. We’ve always been one of the more affordable options, but I was really… For a couple of years, I oscillated from being a competitor to Lion Desk and a wise agent, to being a competitor to Real Geeks, and I could never make up my mind. What I’ve done is split Melright into its various components.
We offer great value and a do-it-yourself technology stack. And then we’ve these additional services, where we can provide you with something more like Real Geeks, and you can choose what you want, right? So I’ve decided on that pathway, and it’s the right way to go for Melright. And obviously, a lot of people are looking at Lying Desk CRM, and then they’ve sold to these lone wolf people. And I didn’t know much about them, but you’re dealing with more brokers. I’ve got a couple I’m dealing with, but you’ve got a lot more experience. And when I conducted my research for this show about Loan Wolf, I could understand why they’re grandfathering out Linedes, because it’s apparent that the product didn’t integrate well with their other products, as they’re aimed at brokerages. Linedesk is designed for real estate agents, individuals, small teams, or small brokerages.

[00:04:51.220] – Jonathan Denwood

And it’s obvious, they bought the company for access to the client base. And they bought it… I don’t recall if they bought it a year or 18 months ago, but it’s been pretty brutal. They’ve only given, I think, about three months’ notice. And I didn’t know much about Loan Wolf until I did some research. They started in 1989 and have grown, offering a range of back-office services. And there are a few players in the back office. And what I found, which doesn’t only apply to the real estate industry, but also to many other industries, is that you have something that deals with record-keeping, financials, and HR. Then they bolt on top, market the website, and focus on lead generation, making it attractive to the customer base because they offer a single price and solution. But it never works out in my experience. What you end up with is a very mediocre product in the end. It doesn’t do anything that great. And because you’re so reliant on that software and it’s doing everything for your company, even though the system is mediocre and it’s not matching your needs, and the price every year is going up, usually, you’re so embedded with it and you can’t get away from it.

[00:06:57.200] – Jonathan Denwood

The pain of ditching them would be so much to your business, to your brokerage, that you’re on track with them. I did some research, and hopefully, you know more about them than I do, because I’ve been in it for about six years, but you’ve had 15 years plus. Hopefully, you now know a bit more about Loan Wolf. So I only did online research. And to be truthful, Rob, and this is my opinion, you’ve got to be careful here, Rob, they haven’t got an outstanding reputation. When you do some research online, it’s pretty brutal what’s said about them. I thought it would be a good idea. What’s your target to talk about, Rob.

[00:07:47.120] – Robert Newman

Well, it is a good subject. We haven’t talked about it in a while. So Loanwell CEO is Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly and guys like him are people that I have talked about on my own time and podcast with other people, with other professionals, a lot. Jim Kelly is not a real estate guy. He has a Bachelor of Science He has a military background from the University of AM, Texas. Then he was selling other software services. He’s a software CEO, and he took over Lone Wolf and is treating Lone Wolf like any SAAS product, and he’s making the same moves that companies like Activision made in the gaming industry and ruined it, ruined the gaming industry quite a bit. Took all these independent studios, bought them up from owners that were anxious to sell, and then completely changed the product so that the players, the people who are using the product, we all suffered. Our games are not as good, and we’ve got 5,000 versions right now of Call of Duty because that’s all Activision does. It’s tell all of it, the people that it took over, it’s to make all the versions of the same game it already created.

[00:09:09.180] – Robert Newman

And guess what? Lone Wolf is that exact thing, John, in the real estate space. Jim bought a product with 165,000 users. Most of them are the agents that you and I won’t talk to. Why? Because most of the people that use Lone Wolf at its $30 per month Were people that were part-time agents.

[00:09:33.500] – Jonathan Denwood

They wanted a real estate- You’re talking about Line Desk, there.

[00:09:35.940] – Robert Newman

Line Desk, yes. They were part-time agents. That 165,000 person customer base that you just referenced was bought because it bought access to 165,000 real estate agents, except it was 165,000 of the… I don’t know what the right word is, but certainly not the top-flight agents who spend money on real estate technology tools every single day of the year. It was more like casual part-timers. When they bought this, after four years… And by the way, I have so many different issues with this. It’s not even funny. David Anderson, who got a golden parachute when he sold Liondesk, he was the CEO at the time, he took a payment from these guys and he told his team and everybody else that this would be a good collaboration. It was never going to be a good collaboration. Lone Wolf wasn’t even targeting the same audience. You only had one or two choices. Either they’re going to let them run as an autonomous independent company or they’re going to close everything down. An idiot would be able to see that. There was no way that they were going to be able to wrap, like you’ve already said, an agent product into a broker product and somehow make them one product.

[00:11:00.000] – Robert Newman

You’re a software developer, you know what that would take. You’re building two tools into one. It doesn’t even make sense for the most part. Not to mention it certainly doesn’t make sense from a development side. Having said all that, I believe very strongly that Lone Wolf bought a line desk for the sole reason of getting access to its clients, forcing them into upgrading, and then mothballing the company. And that’s exactly what they’ve done. And now there’s a huge thing worth mentioning here. Not Not only does the Long Wolf have a bad reputation for making moves like this, you’re 100 % correct. But on, additionally, they’re now making the same move that real estate webmasters makes, which is too bad. The product that you had either doesn’t work or we won’t support it. I’m so sorry. By the way, if you’d like another product, we have a good one over here. It’s five times more expensive than the one you were buying previously. But we promise it will be better, which is nonsense. For those of you who are listening- What’s your knowledge around…

[00:12:06.040] – Jonathan Denwood

Apart from the Lion Desk question, which he’s getting very passionate, listeners. And if you’re watching the video, he’s getting very elevated about this. What is Lion Wolf’s brokerage products like? Have you got any knowledge of what they…

[00:12:28.780] – Robert Newman

Do they actually work? I’ve got a few clients The brands that use it, it’s nothing revolutionary or amazing. It’s just a CRM like any other, a little more expensive. They do for all that I’ve just complained, the people that I know that use Lone Wolf that are brokers, that are the right size and the right product seem to like them. I think there are ways to get into this product and basically have it be useful to you and get good service off it. I do not I think that the average real estate agent would experience that. Certainly, whether I think it or not, their reviews say the same thing.

[00:13:07.380] – Jonathan Denwood

They seem to be aiming at the same brokerage that we use in Boomtown, or that that’s the brokerage, the competitor. When I was doing my research, Robin, I want to confirm this because I did some research for this episode, is that Boomtown and Loan Wolf came up a lot in the research I was doing about that they compete or were competing with one another. Is that about right?

[00:13:42.680] – Robert Newman

Yeah, it’s about right. Here’s So everybody who’s listening to this show, Loan Wolf and I are philosophically in a different place. Loan Wolf is creating the kinds of products that as a call center manager, I hated. We always had to monitor agents, John, as a call center manager. It was necessary to prevent credit card fraud. It was my least favorite part of the job, listening in on agents, stuff like that. But it’s part of it. But then people would start to use these monitoring calls to tell agents how to do their job instead of teaching them in classes, which is where I thought it should be done. Some of the time, we’d even egregiously break in on an in-progress call, interrupt it in the middle, and basically do something different than what the agent was doing. I just thought that was all dehumanizing. Now, the latest innovation from Loader Wolf Technologies is tracking your agent’s movement. What do you think that reminds me of?

[00:14:46.820] – Jonathan Denwood

We live in strange times, don’t we, Robert? We really are living in strange times, aren’t we?

[00:14:54.340] – Robert Newman

Exactly. So for those listening to this show, there are a handful of you that may have a 5,000 person Salesforce that you feel like you need to know where they are at all times. And if so, Lone Wolf might be the product for you. I understand they cannot be a company without having a certain number of people that they serve. I would never be one of those people. Full stop. Philosophically, I’m vehemently opposed to everything they stand for. So there you go. We’re going to go to a break, and when we come back, John is going to do what the rest of the show is. The latter half of the show is the latter half of the show, we’re going to actually discuss alternatives. For those of you who may be listening who’ve just been notified that whether you like it or not, your CRM is gone, and your replacement is five times more and designed for broker is agents. Hey, we’ll tell you what, we’ll give you some alternatives that will be a better option. For sure. All right, stay tuned. Three, two, one. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is the MailRight podcast.

[00:16:06.320] – Robert Newman

You have two co-hosts on the show, Jonathan Dinwood, the English Pugilist with the most information that you’ve ever gotten on WordPress, and Robert Newman, an SEO guy with weird-colored hair. We are here to entertain you and guide you along your journey as you get frustrated and throw your phones, computers, and every other piece of off equipment out the window as you try to figure out how to market yourself in the digital age. We’re going to help you. Today’s show, we’re talking about the actual forced obsolescence and complete discontinuation of Liondesk, the most popular real estate CRM on the planet. All right? It was this little engineering feat was accomplished by Lone Wolf. If you are curious to know what we have to say about them, please listen to the first half of the show. We don’t want to start this again. I will not shut up. The second half of the show, we’re going to get into something that I feel like John is a little bit more qualified than I am because he researches all of these guys more than I do. We’re going to talk about alternatives, alternatives for your CRM business. On the list today to discuss is DotLoop, Broker Kit, Wise Agent, Follow Up Boss, Top Producer, Real Geeks, and Mailright, which is the company that John founded in transparency.

[00:17:26.740] – Robert Newman

So without any further ado, John, why don’t you start us off by saying something about. Lu?

[00:17:31.800] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, I think we start with the company that’s positioned the most probably to benefit from what’s happened about Nine Desk, and that’s Wise Agent, isn’t it? Now, we have actually had the founder and the CEO of Wise Agent on. And nice guy, but he spent the whole show. Obviously, he came on the show to talk about Wise Agent. All guests come on the show to discuss something that they’re selling. But I did remark that he was, how to put this, diplomatically. He was very focused about selling the benefits of Wise Agent on our show, Robert. Shall we put it that way? I think you were even impressed on his focus, wasn’t you? It starts at $49 monthly or annually, 449. It It hasn’t got everything that Linedesk had, but it’s got a lot of the features that Linedesk did. It hasn’t got the video elements that Linedesk were trying to be a competitor to Bonbon. I always thought Bonbon was a better solution, really. I still do. But they did have that, and they had their mass ring phone ring system. I don’t think Wise Agent has that, but it’s got landing pages. It doesn’t provide a website, thank God.

[00:19:13.940] – Jonathan Denwood

It does provide landing pages. It does provide the mechanism to run your own Facebook campaigns, and it’s got the email and SMS text messaging functionality. The SMS, you got to buy one of the higher plans to get that. I think I’m correct in saying that. They’ve been around a long time and a lot of people use it. Because obviously, I pitch Millright in their playground, so I’ve got to be a bit balanced. But that’s really what I’ve got to say about it. What do you reckon, Robert?

[00:19:59.620] – Robert Newman

I I don’t remember this interview, which probably just means that for me-I think you fell asleep halfway through it, actually, Robert. I may have. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t remember the interview. I do remember the product, thank God. The product is one of those ones that is at least they’ve embraced a modern UX UI system. They also decided not to do an all-in-one. So you’re right, there There’s a lot that is better about Wise Agent than other services of the same type like the Liondust. Mind everybody, I am not saying that Liondust itself as a product should have necessarily been propagated forward forever. What frustrates me and always has frustrated me is how poorly real estate clients are treated. It always frustrates me. It’s not like anybody’s asking any of you whether or not you to update. You should update. If you ask me the question, should you get out of Linedesk as a CRM? I would have said, Absolutely, you should. That doesn’t mean I’m going to buy it and force you to do that. I would have recommended John CRM. I would have recommended any number of CRMs over and above and beyond, lying desk, honestly.

[00:21:19.240] – Robert Newman

So that’s not where I’m upset. I’m upset that everybody just thinks it’s good business practice to buy the damn company and close it down because there’s about 60,000 agents if I had to take to stab at it that will be without a serum for years now because they don’t have the time, the energy or the will to learn a new product.

[00:21:38.280] – Jonathan Denwood

I’ve got a slightly different philosophy around there. Businesses get bought, businesses get sold. Everybody’s got the right to sell their brokerage. You got the right to sell your company. I’ve got the right to sell mine. You can get verbal or some written guarantees about how the company for a period of time. But then after some period, it’s up to the new owners, and it is what it is. It’s basically there’s nothing That can be done about it, but that’s my opinion, Rob. On to the next one. And that’s another one that you really love and I love as well. It’s KVCORE. But there, what’s going on with KVCORE? Because they’ll be rebranded as Old Trail. Old Trail. What’s going on with these people?

[00:22:33.240] – Robert Newman

I mean, come on, man. They just bought Boomtown. They’ve got to separate out their products. They’ve got to create new branding for themselves. Kvcore itself, like I said, now all the people like me got to go out and re-review the product, but it’s a lipstick on a pig. I’m not saying that it’s bad. It’s not a bad pig. Kvcore is also a very popular CRM, but I am so glad to say that there’s a lot of pressure on these all-on-one systems for pricing at this moment in time in history. So the first time since I’ve been in this industry, people are going, do I really want to spend $500 on a subpar website and a subpar CRM.

[00:23:16.840] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s what you’re getting, isn’t it, with kvCore, isn’t it?

[00:23:22.120] – Robert Newman

Yes, you’re getting a slow system that does a lot of cool things that is in the cloud that they’ve installed a lot of people on. But I do believe that they are getting outclassed in many different categories at this point. Would you use kvCore? Yes. I’ve still got clients that use KVCore for various things. You know why they use it, John? Every single client I have, you know why? The one reason that I cannot argue with that they use it. It is because their broker has bought it for them and they get it for free, so they use it. It is a hard thing for me to argue with agencies that are saying, I’m just going to use the CRM that I’m being given.

[00:24:02.900] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s a terrible reason to use any bit of software because you’re getting it free. That’s a terrible reason.

[00:24:12.240] – Robert Newman

It should be efficiency and productivity, but That’s the level of attention that most real estate agents pay to their CRMs. The most successful agents I know barely touch CRMs, barely. It is people running large teams that touch CRMs, and that’s where lone wolf comes in. That’s where loan comes in, that’s where they should have just left Lion Desk alone because it’s completely different philosophies, right? These guys are busy tracking their agents and trying to figure out their every move.

[00:24:42.240] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, let’s move on and be even more Controversial, shall we? Let’s go up to… Oh, Follow Up Boss. What are we going to say about Follow Up Boss?

[00:24:53.860] – Robert Newman

You say something about them.

[00:24:55.540] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, fantastic system. One of the best UX, I think with a bit of training, an individual agent can use it, and also a middle-sized team and even a large team. It’s one of the few CRMs with a It’s not simple, but with a bit of research and a bit of training and a bit of dedication, an average person of average intelligence could get something out of it. It doesn’t provide a website, thank God, but it provided everything else. I would never use it. I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole because they got bought out by the devil, didn’t they? In my opinion. And I don’t care what the devil says. The devil can say whatever they like. It goes in one ear and it goes out the next, as I’m concerned, and the devil is illo. So they They’ve disappeared, as far as I’m concerned. They are unusable, in my opinion.

[00:26:07.200] – Robert Newman

I still think that they’re the best in class. I agree with everything you said. You’re running the Risk for those people. But the only thing that makes FollowUp Boston easier to process risk, in my opinion, is the fact that you could probably spend an hour and basically learn how to use a CRM. When the investment of your time is an hour, now, this is not customizing systems, creating workflows, creating reminders, using AI automation, none of that. Just basically learning how to use it takes an hour. That time investment is very low. But like all these tools, especially the best ones in class, when you start to spend all this time, you can spend hundreds of hours easy customizing workflows, customizing emails, getting them all set up in your CRM, your automatic responses, your automatic email drips. So when you start saying, John, Oh, and then they’re going to close it down.

[00:27:01.420] – Jonathan Denwood

I don’t think Zillow is going to close down follow-up, boss, anytime soon. And the pricing, it starts at 69. I think that’s a single agent, and the pro is 499. The next one up, so it starts at $1,000, but that’s for large teams. It’s priced fairly, in my opinion, for what you get, and it’s so much superior than KVCORE. It’s so much better. But unfortunately, like I said, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole if I was an agent. As far as I’m concerned, it’s gone.

[00:27:42.100] – Robert Newman

You may be right there. Let’s move on. I’ve got a massive review on Follow Up Boss. Go to inboundrem. Com and search Follow Up Boss, and you can see hours worth of me about what I say about Follow Up Boss.

[00:27:55.880] – Jonathan Denwood

On to a real dog, in my opinion. A dog that should have been put down a long time ago. That’s Top Producer. Oh, God. They’re still around? Pardon? They’re still around? Yeah, I think they probably got tens of thousands of users, Rob, paying, starting, I might if the price is wrong, but starting the pro at $179 a month. What a dog of a platform, in my opinion, Robert.

[00:28:27.960] – Robert Newman

And in their opening video is why does an agent need to use a CRM? So we know who they’re aiming their product at. If you are a brand new agent, you probably, who has no knowledge of how to market yourself, handle a client base or anything else, then you probably already know who top producer is. That’s it. And real estate top producers, they rank number one for that term, which is hilarious because I don’t know a single real estate top producer that’s ever used them as a CRM. They do have a rank number six for software for realtors, and that’s impressive.

[00:29:08.480] – Jonathan Denwood

On to one that you don’t… I don’t think you dislike it, but you don’t give it as much credit as I do. But that’s Real Geeks. But I think of a batch, what Real Geeks offers for the price. Unfortunately, when I was doing my research, I put their pricing, but I think this month they’re putting their pricing up quite a bit. I don’t know if they’ve gone fully public. So I’ve got the old pricing here, and I haven’t had time because they were saying in June, and we’re in June, that they were going to be putting their pricing up quite a bit. But I think for what you get, the website, the CRM, I think it was one of the more plausible better. I see Real Geeks with FollowUpBoss. They’re very different because Real Geeks is really a website lead generation, where FollowUpBoss is more of a CRM, email, follow-up system. But I saw them as two of the more credible solutions in the real estate market because I’m just not a fan of KVCore. But what’s your views on Real Geeks, my beloved Robert?

[00:30:38.480] – Robert Newman

Real Geeks still… Listen, it was founded by an agent who knew what he was doing, and That makes all the difference in the world. An actual agent, the CRM is easy to use. The website is easy to use and is designed as a PPC landing page-based search site, and it still, to this very day, works for that purpose. That’s crazy because it was created 10 years ago. So it still works. So we’ve got a really cool website that does an okay job of generating response and even does an okay job of ranking for SEO if you know what you’re doing, and then has a very simple and very straightforward CRM on the back-end that does tie in to the front-end fairly well. I mean, of everybody on the list, if you add in all the factors I think that so far, they come out towards the lead because they were bought by another company, but that company so far is a mortgage company and hasn’t closed down any of the four technology companies it’s already bought. But they’re not innovating anymore either. So there’s pros and cons.

[00:31:51.280] – Jonathan Denwood

And then we got the blessed Melroy. That’s you, brother.

[00:31:55.000] – Robert Newman

You’re hoping to be the fifth company that gets bought by the real estate technology company?

[00:31:59.780] – Jonathan Denwood

I That’s why I’m sticking in it. That’s why I haven’t given up, because I’m tenacious. Tenacious, Robert. I have many thoughts, but I’m not a giver up. Our system starts at $49. It gives you a basic CRM. And like what Tom Ferry says, the secret of all CRMs is one that you can use, you use regularly. And we also provide you a nice WordPress-powered website. It doesn’t offer IDX integration. You can do it yourself. They are designed for IDX. You can do it yourself or you could hire us and we host it and we use IDX Broker. But we provide a basic non-IDX website plus landing pages email campaigns, SMS campaigns, social media calendar. And also we got an element that does digital surveys for you. So I think it’s a great valued product, but I would say that, wouldn’t I, Robert? But I do believe it. And we start at $49 month to month or $39 if you pay annually, so it It won’t bust the bank. Beautiful. What do you reckon, Robert?

[00:33:33.920] – Robert Newman

I reckon that you’re a good guy with a good product. I will say the same thing about you. Like you said at the beginning of the show when we weren’t recording, it takes a while to get to know me. I am more of a… That I know of, I’m really the only mission-based, not money-based guy working in the real estate tech space. The people I love, great entrepreneurs, all you included, are working for the Almighty dollar. That is their primary focus. That means that every single person, including Ylopo and every other company out there, you guys got to be careful when you make these purchases because you got to ask the question, how long do you want the tool to work for? And is durability important to you? How much time do you have? But if you want a little help and somebody who’s going to pay a lot of attention to you, then I’ve always said this, John, I think that you’re a great person to call. Everybody should call you. In the meantime, if you’re looking for a long term alternative with a guy that doesn’t have any plans at all to ever sell his company, you can also look at inboundrem.

[00:34:36.320] – Robert Newman

Com and lets you own the websites, which John does too, to be fair. But Robert-We agree on that.

[00:34:43.180] – Jonathan Denwood

If the two are fair in terms You turned up and said, Here’s half a million dollars, Robert, for your company. Are you really saying that you wouldn’t take the money, Robert?

[00:34:52.440] – Robert Newman

I absolutely am. The number would have to be closer to half a billion, and nobody’s going to offer me half a billion.

[00:34:57.480] – Jonathan Denwood

Nobody’s doing that.

[00:34:58.960] – Robert Newman

Like Half a million, no. The number… I’ll tell you what, John, I’ll do this experiment with you because I’ve thought about it. The number would have to be 10 million plus, and then maybe. And I would split it with my team, the people that help me with the company, and I would not, absolutely not sell it. If somebody came to me today and said, Here’s a million dollars, I’ll be like, No.

[00:35:21.520] – Jonathan Denwood

Fair enough. Nobody’s going to be offering me any money soon, folks. I’m in for the long run. I’ve been doing this for six years. It’s been a winding road, but Melright is an excellent product. We’ve always offered great value. But realistically, Rob, I think of everything we talked about, if you’re looking for… You can either look at Melriott, Wise Agent, or Real Geeks, but your attitude around ‘Fuller Up’ boss, and I understand it entirely because I might be… I have to think about my attitude towards… Because he is a great product, isn’t he? It’s just really… When the news came out that Zillow was buying it, I thought… I won’t say what I thought, but it was SH saying. It was a great moment for them, but a sad one for the industry.

[00:36:33.200] – Robert Newman

I agree with you. I agree with you, and it was an independent product that was making lots of money, just with an incredibly dedicated, driven team that wasn’t trying to sell you a website that was operating in the best interest of the agent. I love the team, I love the product, and it was the only CRM in the market where every single component was right. I will say this for them. In all fairness, Follow Up had made statements like, We’re not going to sell. We don’t want to. We like building the product. We enjoy working on the product. And they stayed with that for a long time. Then they did so, but they sold for a God awful crap ton of money. The number they made is incredible. I respect them for that alone, John. If you’re going to do it, I can’t fault it. It was half a billion dollars, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:37:32.540] – Jonathan Denwood

Half a billion. We need to wrap this up, but I’d like to add something extra. Well, that’s the problem. The money they got. The idea that Zillow won’t use that data after investing an enormous amount of money in the founders of Follow Up Boss is ridiculous. These are my opinions, folks. That they would give that amount of money and not utilize every bit of data, and then follow up, boss, about your business, your business. They’re not going to suck it up. And then use that data to sell leads to other agents, I think you need some therapy, my dear listeners. But that’s just my opinion, Robert.

[00:38:23.960] – Robert Newman

We’re not going to degenerate. Well, we did a little bit. We’re not going to degenerate anymore into conspiracy theories, John and I, but you can tell everybody listens to show that we have some strong opinions. And since you, our beloved listeners, have made us the number 86 best show for real estate agents in the country, we are as voted on millionpodcasts. Com. We are incredibly grateful. Mail-Right has sponsored today’s show. Com. We’re lucky enough to have the founder of MailRight right here with us today. Ladies and gentlemen, the founder of the show, the sponsor of today’s show as well. Jon, why don’t you tell the ladies and gentlemen how they can find you or reach you if they should need to?

[00:39:10.460] – Jonathan Denwood

Oh, thanks, Rob. Just go to mail-right.com and take a look at what we’ve to offer. Then you can book a free demo and schedule a chat with me or a member of my team. If you’re looking for a top agency that can do all your real estate marketing and is a real expert on SEO, have a look at what Rob’s company has to offer.

[00:39:36.540] – Robert Newman

Thank you, John. My name is Robert Newman. I’ve been the other co-host of the show. I have a company that focuses on SEO, including video SEO, traditional SEO, and hyperlocal SEO. If anything related to getting you found on a search engine, anywhere on a search engine, we are a good place to start. I am still taking those calls personally, and I would love to talk to you and discuss your business, especially if you’re interested in owning your platform, achieving high ROI, and have a little time to dedicate to it. It’s always for us to pursue achievement for a lot less money. So check out inboundram. Com, About, or Services pages, and you can learn everything you need to know. Feel free to book a call with me if you’d like. That’s been our show, ladies and gentlemen. Once again, John and I appreciate your time. If you stayed through our plugs, we appreciate you even more. And what we’d love from you is calling us aside, like or commenting in the place where you’ve heard the show. It does, as it turns out, matter, which shocked both John and I.

[00:40:43.880] – Robert Newman

Neither one of us knew, to be honest with you. I had no idea that we were being voted on in various places as the best show. Now that I know, as I already told John, I’m like, I am not going to let this go. We’re better than number 86. We need to be way up that list. So help us, please. All right.