#387 – Mail-Right Show: Agent Image vs. Luxury Presence A Full Review For 2023

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Agent Image vs. Luxury Presence A Full Review For 2023

Discover the ultimate comparison between Agent Image and Luxury Presence – two of the leading real estate marketing platforms of 2023. See how they compare features, pricing, customer support, and more. Get a full overview from us to make an informed decision about which one is right for you. Listen and watch this podcast/video now to find out if Agent Image or Luxury Presence is the best choice for your business in 2023!

#1 – Luxury Presence – https://www.luxurypresence.com/

$5000-$15,000 Setup and $300-$500/Monthly Licensing Fee. Luxury Presence is a meteoric new company with many satisfied, high-profile clients. When it comes to SEO lead generation, there are both positive and negative case studies. Luxury agents who want evergreen lead generation machines should consider Real Estate Webmasters or InboundREM for deep SEO expertise. All other luxury agents should seriously consider Luxury Presence.

#2 – Agent Image – https://www.agentimage.com/

Agent Image is a leader among providers of custom real estate websites, along with Luxury Presence and Dakno. Other companies that are focusing more on branded websites, especially for luxury real estate, include Real Estate Webmasters and InboundREM.

Their pricing plans are quite standard, although the monthly fee is a low $99. That’s because they do not provide an integrated CRM. You must set up and manage the CRM in-house, which can be a pro or con, depending on your needs.

#3 – Real Estate Webmasters – https://www.realestatewebmasters.com/

$5000+ Setup and $300-$5000 Monthly. No list of the best real estate website companies would be complete without REW. They are the jack of all trades, ranking #2 or #3 in different categories, including lead generation, IDX, and custom site-building. However, they suffer from many terrible negative reviews (as low as an average of 1.6 stars), poor customer support, and sneaky practices like sudden price hikes. They are also by far the most expensive real estate website company.

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The Hosts of The Mail-Right Show

Jonathan Denwood & Robert Newman

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InboundREM

https://inboundrem.com

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Episode Full Show Notes

[00:00:00.000] – Robert Newman

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Mail-Right Podcast. Today’s episode number is 387. And like so many other pieces of entertainment things that we all take for granted, it has been a Herculean effort to get this show off the ground. Jon’s been incredibly patient with me. I’ve flown halfway across the world to do today’s show and finish it on time. And I’m dealing with a sick animal and a very confused inboundRAM staff because we had to stop everything and just jump-started.

So, because of all this, ladies and gentlemen, we will do a really special show for you. Today’s show will be a conversation surrounding the two primary companies that make real estate luxury sites. And a couple of Honorable mentions we may even go so far as to mention Inbound rem on the air, the company that I founded. But we’re definitely going to mention real estate webmasters if we have the time because John and I get super verbose, and we may not have the time. But for those of you who may not know who my co-host is, this brilliant, patient, generous man.

[00:01:30.960] – Jonathan Denwood

Obviously, you don’t know me.

[00:01:33.740] – Speaker 1

His name is… Well, I’m being generous with his time, not necessarily his money. All right. So without any further ado, for those that don’t know him, John is the founder of WP Tonic and Mail. He’s a double entrepreneur. He is a legendary force inside the world press world. He is creating.

[00:01:56.440] – Jonathan Denwood

The same reputation. Outside notorious.

[00:01:59.840] – Speaker 1

I was being kind. So we’re going to say notorious, legendary. You pick your language. He’s building the same reputation for himself inside the real estate world. John, without any further hyperbolic on my part, why don’t you go ahead and tell people in your own words who you are?

[00:02:19.430] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s going to be an interesting show, folks. I’m the co founder of Bell hyphen write. Com. We build really great looking websites on WordPress. Plus, we provide a CRM and lead generation just like real geeks, but more flexible and a better value proposition. Back over to you, Robert.

[00:02:43.430] – Speaker 1

All right. So you can’t talk about real estate websites in the luxury space without mentioning the two companies that literally built the vertical. Now, the company that actually built the vertical is Agent Image. They are the first ones to see a market specifically for a luxury website. They built up their entire company based on brand and brand alone. That is design principles. And what’s more, they’ve been doing it for over 20 years. And there’s some pros and cons about them doing it for that long. There’s some pros and cons about it being a company that, too, set a group of high school students built out of their apartment. I worked for that company, full disclosure, from the years of 2007 through 2009 or 10. I don’t remember the exact dates anymore, but I worked there for a while and helped become part of the legend that is Agent Image. I do believe that they’ve been doing it since about the year 2000, if not before. So they are extremely venerable and they have over 30,000 live website projects. Now, about seven, eight years ago, there was a company out there that saw the need to provide some competition inside the luxury space.

[00:03:52.530] – Speaker 1

Agent Image had done some not such great things and damaged their own reputation and into that void stepped luxury presence. Now, Luxury Presence was founded by Malte. Malte was a former personal assistant to Jade Mills, who’s a legendary luxury agent in the real estate space. And Malte had listened to her enough times talk about how there was just such an incredible need for another luxury website provider. And being entrepreneurial, he decided to step into the space and actually, with a little bit of backing from Jade Mills, and he got into the space and created Luxury.

[00:04:31.690] – Jonathan Denwood

He’s a German guy, isn’t he?

[00:04:34.760] – Speaker 1

He’s not German. He is one of the Nordic countries. I don’t know that I’ve ever asked him specifically.

[00:04:41.060] – Jonathan Denwood

Where he’s from. I might be wrong, but the couple interviews that I watched, he said he was German.

[00:04:46.610] – Speaker 1

Oh, maybe he.

[00:04:47.180] – Jonathan Denwood

Is German. He got here on a scholarship, a basketball scholarship, and did the degree and decided to stay here. My understanding that he also had some other startup businesses and he managed to get $30 million of VC investment. And Tom Ferry is one of the investors. Oh, yeah? Yeah, which is my understanding. Robert?

[00:05:24.670] – Speaker 1

That could very well be the case. All of that might very well be true. So that doesn’t surprise me if any of that happens to be accurate. And they’re doing a lot of interesting things over luxury presence, and they are definitely trying to go big inside the space. I appreciate their efforts, but they are also making some fairly dramatic missteps inside the space. They’re working at it, and I get it. But they are…

[00:06:06.150] – Jonathan Denwood

Well.

[00:06:06.630] – Speaker 1

We’ll get into it. All right. So let’s pull back the curtain. First of all, John, you’ve obviously followed luxury presences socials more than I have. I’ve met the people over there. I’ve met the team. I’ve done a lot of conversations with them. It’s a great team. It’s a young team. They’re all extremely excited. They’re all extremely determined to build a foundational company inside a space that they consider to be fairly wide open.

[00:06:41.000] – Jonathan Denwood

Go.

[00:06:43.540] – Speaker 1

Ahead.

[00:06:44.560] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, well, yes or no about that? I did some research because obviously I know that you worked for Ancient Image. So I knew I had to do some research on this particular episode because I would have much to say. I’ve got to be honest with you, the founder seems, the couple of interviews and the research I did, he knows his stuff. I don’t think he knows as much as you know, but he managed to get 30 million of VC investment. Good luck to him. Nice looking websites. They’re not built on WordPress. I think they’re building them on their own CRM. Great agency. Apart from that, I don’t see much there. It’d be quite truthful. I don’t know what the 30 million has been spent on to be quite frank about it. To me, it’s a very different, but it’s got a slight taste of place, sir, about it. I think they saw great opportunities there. The interviews I saw, they say that he said in the interviews that I saw that he had about 8,000 websites. Fantastic. I wish I had 8,000 websites. But I couldn’t cope with that anyway because it’s just me and my co host and a couple of free subcontractors.

[00:08:24.730] – Jonathan Denwood

I couldn’t do that anyway. That’s my basic reaction to it. Nice looking website by what he says, he understands online marketing. I don’t think in any shape or form he has the understanding of SEO that you do. Maybe I’m being uncharitable, I don’t know. I try and be balanced and fair.

[00:08:52.140] – Speaker 1

I’ll tell you what my 10,000 foot view is. I have to be somewhat careful here because I have somewhat of a non disclosure with luxury presence.

[00:09:07.650] – Jonathan Denwood

And so.

[00:09:08.410] – Speaker 1

I’ve got to be fairly careful about what I say and don’t say. But I will say this about growing a company of that type. In general, when you take on that much venture capital, John, there’s a certain amount of pressure that goes along with it. It says you’re going to build a certain type of company. And I think that luxury presence, everything I’ve seen, definitely suggests they’re under that pressure. To scale at max incredibly fast inside a technical industry is not that easy. And they’ve had to build a product where they can basically satisfy 8,000 different agents all over the country, and they’ve had to build it organically.

[00:09:58.520] – Speaker 1

Now, every time you see something like that, I know the whole real estate industry gets super on fire about following along with what everybody else is doing. You’re always competing against the guy down the street. You see one of the really successful agents put up a luxury presence site, and then you go ahead and put up a luxury presence site as well. I’m going to say that while I know for a fact that they’re working on their processes, I know for a fact that they’re working on their SEO processes. I’m going to say that the results that I’ve seen so far and continue to see are not great at all, and that they’ve built some technology that is not going to support the work that they want to do. They did not build it correctly for some of the things that they are trying to do. trying to achieve? Might they be working on rebuilding it and getting it right so that it works well for SEO? It’s entirely possible that they are. But currently speaking, there are quite a few things that I’ve seen that are global. Some of them I’ve talked about, but some of their process work has to be broken.

[00:11:04.970] – Speaker 1

Some of the ways that they communicate to clients about transferring SEO values appears to be broken. I don’t know if they fixed it. I strongly think that they probably have not. I have reasons for saying that because when the… Well, you know what? I’m going to leave all that. I’m just going to say that I have technical reasons from looking at websites that seem to suggest that the process is still not fixed in 2023. I have clients that have called me. I’ve seen other case studies and examples that have come up beyond the ones that I’ve published that all seem to suggest that if you were going to take an established website and transfer over luxury presence, that is a very iffy decision to do that. So for all of those listening to the show looking for a review, and if you’re a luxury agent now, if you’re a new agent looking to establish a site, sure, go with them. But if you’re paying for their SEO services, I would say that they do not have that dial in yet and that you are probably not going to see the return on investment that you were hoping that you would see.

[00:12:09.160] – Speaker 1

But that’s some of the cons. And it plays deeply into this venture capital and the fact that they’ve got 30 million and they’re moving fast.

[00:12:20.580] – Jonathan Denwood

So in some ways, I was on the right track to link them in a way to play. Because I think some of places problems, they really liked their chief marketing, I forgot his name, came on the show. Really nice guy, very intelligent, very straightforward. But I think their problem was the same. They took all this venture capital and because of that, they had to go in a direction which wasn’t maybe on reflection the best direction. So that’s why I linked the two together, Robert.

[00:13:02.110] – Speaker 1

I cannot say enough good things about Malta and the team that I’ve met. I want to separate a couple of things. My impression is, guys and girls, people listening to the show, it doesn’t matter who you are, but saying that you’ve been given $30 million to build the company and you haven’t necessarily built the company with $30 million before is a major upskill. It’s a major task. Malte seems to be a guy that goes out and collects information from people that have it, and he seems willing to invest in that information. So given enough time, I have faith in him as a leader. He seems to be doing all the things he can possibly do as a leader. But to say that he got it right straight out of the batter’s box, I don’t know that I would say that. I would also say he’s attempting to build three separate companies in one. He’s attempting to build a company that has a free product where they’re making them in mass for free. That’s crazy. He’s taking that $30 million and doing exactly what Placer did and trying to get the install base. And that failed with Plaster, it’s probably going to fail with Luxury Presence.

[00:14:09.030] – Speaker 1

There’s a ton of reasons for that. But number two, he’s trying to build a mid range product, which is probably their most successful product, where they got a luxury presence and they’re doing a little bit of marketing. Actually, let me rephrase. Their most successful product is probably the one that they have a third product, which is a hyper luxury product and they’re charging 20, 30 grand for the site. And that product is the one that they still showcase that everybody sees. There’s a huge video element to it nd they did an amazing job when they built Jade site and creating a different presentation for the site. They had a great branding vision that’s probably Malte’s greatest skill that he brings to the table is he’s got an amazing branding vision and all the backing and support for the branding part of it that he could possibly need. But that’s a branding site. That is not a free catch all site where you’re telling people you’re going to get a result off it. That’s completely different product. And whether or not they’re explaining every single person that comes in that they’ve got three products with three different sets of expectations, I don’t see the fact from customer input, I don’t think they’re getting that part right.

[00:15:29.970] – Speaker 1

They did the same thing that they did over at Placester, where they scaled beyond the ability to train a staff behind them to explain the product right to their customer base, which means their customer base thinks they’re buying something different than what they’re getting. And I heard that 50 different times from 50 different people.

[00:15:49.620] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, but before we go for a break, I just want to quickly go through the prices. Then when we come back, I’ve actually got something good to say about luxury presence, actually. So the information I got, it’s from $5,000 to $15,000 plus set up, and then from $300 to $500 plus licensing fees. So they’re definitely in the luxury side, aren’t they?

[00:16:19.120] – Speaker 1

Yeah.

[00:16:19.970] – Jonathan Denwood

So I think we go for a break, Rob. What do you reckon?

[00:16:23.470] – Speaker 1

We’ll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. This has been Episode 387. We’re having conversation about agent image versus luxury presence. And we’ll come back to you with some additional information. We’re going to focus the second half of the show a little bit more on agent image. We’ve been talking about luxury presence a lot. We’ll have another conversation about agent image at the end of the show. I’ve got some good things to say about them, and I have a lot of good things to say about luxury presence. They’re both companies that are being run by teams with good ideas. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back. Do you want quality leads from homeowners and buyers right in your own neighborhood? Then you need Mail. R ight. It is a powerful but easy to use online marketing system that uses Facebook to generate real estate leads at a fraction of the cost you’d pay from our competition. We stand behind our work with a no question asked 30 day money back guarantee. So don’t delay, get started today. Go to mail. R ight. Com. Welcome back to Episode 387. John was fearless today. He set a topic matter for Agent Image and luxury presence for two real estate website companies in the luxury space, making luxury websites.

[00:17:37.220] – Speaker 1

It’s a fascinating conversation. I’ve got a deep, deep, deep amount of experience with both companies, or at least a deep, deep level of knowledge for various reasons. I’ve essentially done contract work for both of them. Anyway, so it’s an interesting dialog. So, Jon, when you took us to break, you said you had some good things to say, so why don’t you share that with us?

[00:18:02.180] – Jonathan Denwood

I think the before I start is that both companies are reputable. I don’t want to give any impression that I think before you went to break, you laid out some of the problems, which really communicate in effectively to your customer base what exactly they’re going to get. And I think it’s tricky. I think it’s probably even tricky for you. It’s tricky for me. It’s tricky for anybody. It’s not easy. I think the good news, which is bad news for agent image, but I’d be really interested to see how your reaction to what I’m just about to say. The good news for luxury presence is their websites in general are much better looking, in my opinion, much better design. The problem with Agent Image is I think they’re a bit tired, their designs, their design language, their image language. I’ve got MA in UX and graphic design. I’ve also got a degree in computer science and I got MA. So I got a little bit of knowledge. It was a few years ago because I’ll be old now. But the problem of age and image, when you look at their examples, and their examples should be their best work.

[00:19:27.100] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s tired looking, it’s old, it’s tired, as far as I’m concerned, it’s lazy design based about eight, nine years ago. Luxury presence, their designs, their demos, what they’re presenting is much better, in my opinion.

[00:19:47.320] – Speaker 1

I agree 100 %. I don’t disagree. And there’s a reason for that. Agent image, which has changed the name of their design and development back end team, which is all in the Philippines, three or four different times. Last time it was August 99, and I recently talked to an old friend over there, and I believe they renamed it again and rebranded it again. It’s now something else. And I don’t know, I forget what he told me the name was. But I will tell you this, as far as I know, it’s been the same core team built up the four or 500 people that work on the back end for Agent Image. This is a very, very large team out of the Philippines. You have a handful of designers that really were award winning, incredible designers that they managed to get their hands on, usually out of school. And then these people built up the branding reputation of Agent Image, all based on the back of really two or three really talented designers. Now, to your point, though, most of those people that were leading that charge were doing it 10, 15, 20 years ago. So Agent Image has been plagiarizing off its own design concepts for 15 years.

[00:21:06.340] – Speaker 1

Only very rarely do you see something original, and it almost always comes out of the team that’s been assigned to the Imagine Studios brand or Agent X brand under Agent Image. Now, put simply for those listening to the show, if you don’t have a budget of 10 to $20,000, you don’t get access to those designers. You get access to the B team or junior team of designers that do all of their other products, and my custom, everything else. So when you’re looking at a couple of sites that they built, they are using outdated technology, but I would say that the handful of Imagine Studio or Agent X sites that I’ve seen still could hold up against lecturer presence, in my opinion.

[00:21:55.600] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, you know more about it. You work for them. You work for both companies. You know better than me. I’m just giving the outside perspective.

[00:22:03.640] – Speaker 1

I think your perspective is incredibly astute. For those listening to the show, John’s experience, which he’s humbly downgrading, I would say it’s as good as anybody’s that you’re ever going to hear, except for somebody maybe like me who’s worked for all the companies. And there aren’t there 10 guys, girls out there like me. There’s almost nobody anymore that’s still in the industry. Everybody left real estate and went and did other things with this. There’s a couple of people that still work for Agent Image that have been doing it for 10, 15, 20 years. That’s one of the guys I talked to. Everybody else, John, left the real estate space. So there is nobody left that has this ancient history and can talk. But you’re looking at the product from an outside view with the degrees that you’ve got is correct. They haven’t updated to Web 3 technology. They haven’t gone completely mobile friendly. They’ve got to do certain things that they shouldn’t be using anymore.

[00:23:06.760] – Jonathan Denwood

I’ve got to be honest, unless you’re going with the higher tier of what age and image is offering, or you go with maybe the higher… I don’t know what you get for $5,000 from luxury presence. I’ve got to be truthful, but I’d imagine you’d be better off going because the $10,000 mark plus, even with them, you’d probably be better off going the WordPress route and going with a designer. We offer semi custom, but there’s plenty of people in the WordPress real estate that can do you a custom website. What we’re trying at MailR ight is to offer that flexibility, but also provide a CRM and other marketing tools. That’s what we’re trying to do. Because people tend to underestimate the amount of back and forth, the amount of Zooms, the run around to get material content, the back and forth. If you go in the full custom route, there’s a ton of time that’s taken up and you will be charged 10,000 plus. If they’re based in the US at all, well, even if they’re offshore in it, because to make any decent money, it’s a real runaround, isn’t it? It’s a time consuming process if you’re going the full custom group, isn’t it?

[00:24:48.540] – Speaker 1

Yes. And to make things more confusing for everybody out there, there are elements that are created by JavaScript, which is on 98 % of all websites that Google doesn’t read, and then there’s other elements that they do. Some of the best websites in the world are being coded on React and some other things that all play into JavaScript libraries. It’s gotten very complex. When we start talking about Web 3 technologies, it’s very confusing for everybody about what we should be using and how we should be using it. When I throw a stone at Edge and say, Oh, they should be using something else, I think that one of the decisions that they’ve made is to stay with HTML and CSS, which is a very safe decision as it relates to building their sites. But it’s also, as you well know, incredibly antiquated logic.

[00:25:48.170] – Jonathan Denwood

They don’t build them on WordPress then? They’ve got their own custom?

[00:25:52.150] – Speaker 1

They build them on WordPress. They’re building on WordPress. They’re just not like, You build on WordPress, and we could have gone with headless concepts and things like that. Companies out there that have really young teams and are getting really excited about what’s possible, like luxury presence, they’re using some of that to make all those visuals consumable. Unfortunately, though, the vast majority of Luxury Presence websites are completely unreadable by Google, which means that it’s a no go for search engine optimization. Once again, I don’t fault those development teams. It’s a complex subject. You really have a decision. Do you play it safe and make sure that Google can read the sites, or do you get really super advanced about it and try to appeal to those branding clients that just want something that looks.

[00:26:46.850] – Jonathan Denwood

Really good? It’s funny you brought this up because some of my other business, I’ve got a major client, their national client. And their ability is really because they’ve done audits. They had to audit because they’re a federal government supplier. So they had to do accessibility audits, and we didn’t build the original website for them, but we have been working with them for the past nine months. Because it’s a very, very large website. It’s a non real estate website, but it’s a very, very large website with a lot of content. And we could have just put a sustainability plug in, but you had to be done right. And it’s taken a ton of time and they’ve paid for it. And it’s the same thing. If you really want to get it up to top tier accessibility ranking, you end up with a very, very blind looking website. So we’ve just said to them, we’ve got you up to a stage that’s in the upper to middle ranking when it comes to accessibility. But if we push this any further, you’re going to end up with a really plain Jane, throw back to the early 90s looking website.

[00:28:10.980] – Jonathan Denwood

So it’s not quite the same scenario, but it’s got the same… I thought I’d throw that in because it has some linkage to what you just said, doesn’t it?

[00:28:20.420] – Speaker 1

It’s a conversation that I have almost daily with my clients, like almost daily. There’s really only 14 fonts that Google claims inside its actual manuals, like its technical manuals that it reads correctly. There are thousands of fonts available, but they don’t promise you that they can read any of them. They say that we’re ready to read 14 because they’ve created a spider that crawl s billions of websites and they had to have a quality standard. So the quality standard is we can read 14 fonts correctly. And anything else they’re telling you there’s a margin of error that we won’t read this page right. It’s not very exciting for all those people out there that are interested in branding and appearance and things like that. And the big companies that set the branding standards, like Apple, Apple doesn’t give a rat’s ass if Google can read their sites. So they do all sorts of things with branding that you look at and you go, Oh, my God. This is incredible. And then I have people come to me and use Apple stores, Apple websites, Apple everything. And they’re like, I want my thing to look like this.

[00:29:19.800] – Speaker 1

And I’m like, Great. So you don’t care if Google reads it.

[00:29:23.560] – Jonathan Denwood

Let’s wrap this up because you’ve had a long flight and you got things to do. So let’s get to the nitty gritty of this. If you were looking at a agent image or luxury presence and you had a budget of five to 10 grand and you wanted a top tier, you’re a real estate agent, and you, apart from going to your company, you’re in bad area, which I suggest that people should go and have a discussion with you before. I noticed that Tom doesn’t have you for interview. He has some other people to interview on the Tom Ferry. I suggest, Tom, that you should have Robert on your show for interview. Robert, I think that would be an interesting discussion. So apart from choosing your own company, which they should look at, which of these, if you did know about in Banda, which one would you choose? I do.

[00:30:35.630] – Speaker 1

Think that what you just said is 100 %. Those long time listeners will know I don’t plug myself that much on the show, but I’m going to be honest.

[00:30:48.000] – Jonathan Denwood

You have to bounce a bit. You have to have that. You have to.

[00:30:50.330] – Speaker 1

You have that. These two providers and I’m still taking calls, you need to call me. If you have a budget of $5,000 to $10,000 or more and you’re going to put it into one of these two companies, you need to call me. But being reductive and answering John’s question, not calling me and just playing along with the scenario that’s been painted, I still probably go with agent image. Their sales staff, their support staff are more experienced in taking orders than lecture presences is. And I have some signals that say that while they’ve got maybe a really good sales guy in charge of luxury presence, I’m not seeing the signs that he is technically getting his team to adhere to active information when they’re on the phone with agents. They’re not training, retraining, and training again.

[00:31:48.990] – Jonathan Denwood

If you got about 8,000 websites, you’re not like me. You got your own book of business, and I’ve got a lot less than you. But when you’re talking about 8,000 bloody websites, it’s a totally different scenario. You’ve got to have everything running sweet because otherwise, it’s going to soon get messy, isn’t it?

[00:32:19.840] – Speaker 1

Yeah. But having said that, there are products that luxury presence is making that I would look at. If I’m an agent, I’m looking at their free site and I just want to prop up something that is nice looking, I would say that Luxury Presence is something to look at. Branding needs to be your only concern and you need to assume 100 % you will never do a transaction off the site. It’s just a place for listing agents to have a sexy site for low cost and for agents that are newer into the industry and just are trying to compete with all the big name agents in their area that are luxury agents. This is one way for you to at least have something that on the surface looks like it does the job. After that, it’s going to be your determination, drive, and your ability to network and go to the places where these people have money and get your name out there another way and do the transaction another way. It’s not going to come from your website. Your website will just be a tool that you send people to that you’ve managed to generate through other methods, but you want to look professional when they get there.

[00:33:31.290] – Speaker 1

That’s my luxury presence commentary. I don’t really have that much to say, but I want to make sure it’s clear to everybody and you, John. I’m not throwing luxury presence under the bus. I think that there are just things that you should need to know about them. And for anybody who’s willing to place a call or who’s got the $10,000 to spend, I highly recommend that you call me and go through the pros and cons because there are a much deeper list of pros and cons with both these companies and things you need to be aware of. If you’re going to walk in with a big budget and hire them, you’re going to spend $10,000 on a website and hire these guys. There are things that you need to know before you outlay that capital.

[00:34:16.470] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s it. I think it’s time to wrap it.

[00:34:18.240] – Speaker 1

Up a little bit. All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for attending our conversation. We ended up not getting into real estate webmasters. I did mention my company but in a very limited way. John, thank you so much for putting together this show and being patient with me. I sincerely appreciate it. John is an incredible voice for those of you who are looking for a different opinion. Do you want to hear somebody who will give you his mind and speak a bit outside the box? I recommend you call John and get into a conversation with him. And what’s more, I’m becoming more inaccessible. As my company grows, conversations with me will get harder to have. You can still get me on the phone for the next six months, but I just returned from the Philippines from training a team. And here’s my recommendation for everybody listening to the show. John is another great guy to talk to. He doesn’t have the same experience that I have, but he has a lot of forward-facing web development experience that you can leverage to get an opinion from somebody about what you should be doing.

[00:35:23.530] – Speaker 1

And I will tell you this; John will be honest.

[00:35:26.810] – Jonathan Denwood

And we can do this show because you’re looking at luxury presence, agent image, and real estate webmasters. My target is real geeks and Sarah E. I’m quite open about it. And a few bold leads with a few real geeks and Sarah actively mixed up. That’s what my offering is, Robert. I think your target audience is what we’ve… But we’ve been very honest without being cruel or disparaging in any way. I think we’ve been very honest and sincere in our comments in this episode.

[00:36:18.910] – Speaker 1

I agree. Now, John, if somebody did want to reach out to you, how do they do it?

[00:36:23.060] – Jonathan Denwood

Just go over to the mail hyphen write. Com website, have a look at what we’ve got to offer. Like I say, if you’re looking for a better-looking website, some of the key functionality, real geeks are very interactive at a fair price and have some individual hand holding where the people that would probably fulfill what you’re looking for. So go over there, and you can book a demo with me in a direct chat. Over to you, Robert.

[00:36:51.840] – Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, if you’d like to learn more about me and still get my experience, go to inboundREM.com and look at the about our services pages. Those have the most information about me in the company. The site’s big. It has a lot of advice for new and veteran agents alike on various subjects. So if you’re looking to learn more about websites and marketing options, I do actually always recommend the Inbound RAM website as a place to go check out. Last little comment here. I’ve made it a couple of times. I really do mean it. A few times, I have said that access to me will be more difficult, or I’m going to hold off on having my conversations with only veteran agents and people that have been in the industry 10 years or longer. That change is going to occur in 2024. In 2023, you still get me on the phone for most of the calls. So if you want to speak to me directly and have $10,000 or more to spend, I strongly suggest that you talk to me directly.

[00:37:56.420] – Jonathan Denwood

Well worth the money.